kz_dare discussion

kz_dare is here, another absurdly hard map!

So far I am liking this map. The jumps are extreme, but to me they seem more 'understandable' than azure, or godroom, where I wouldn't even know where to begin on some jumps.

I'm getting through the map with CPs now. I am at the third level. Where is everyone else? Anyone having trouble with jumps so far? On the third level I'm not so sure where to go on one spot, there seem to either be fake blocks or a really hard wj. SS:

http://i.imgur.com/4fOBw.jpg

or

http://i.imgur.com/qFYqa.jpg

Well the thing is that azure is probably as hard as this map or even harder, yet someone did beat it (kkz).

Still, the fact that only one guy can beat the map means there isn't much room for competition on the map or improved times. I also think kkz was just a special case - the guy is clearly something special with regards to extreme maps, not just in his ability, but his desire to beat it. I think it's probable azure just sucked the life out of koukouz.

So I'm not sure how I feel about maps like these. What if there were maps where cps were allowed? It would be a whole new challenge, and open the door to much harder maps. But maps like these without cps require even the best players in the world to geek for months (and even then.)

YES XJ! KEEP ACCEPTING MAPS THAT WILL NEVER GET RECORD

Originally posted by CowOnCrack

I'm getting through the map with CPs now. I am at the third level. Where is everyone else?

just like godroom, noone will beat it for a loooooong long time...

1st of all azure and godroom were chosen by users, there were no reasonable problems in them for mapadmins to deny the maps. Thats how those got accepted, so blaming someone in this case pretty much worthless.

About kz_dare jumps... Im pretty sure if this map had equivalent jumps to azure or godroom - it would be declined. The jumps are much more creative and well built into the map, so it deserved its place among other kz maps. Its my opinion ofc, but seems like some other people think the same)

Originally posted by cAhz0r

Originally posted by KZRA|Cypek

Originally posted by killahurtZ

YES XJ! KEEP ACCEPTING MAPS THAT WILL NEVER GET RECORD

this map is more possible than godroom

i agree that this map would be possible to complete nocp, but there are some jumps in it where you wont be able to do it easily(you'll need pure luck to manage this..) - missing one jump gets you teleported back to the start of the specific level; and some stages are stressful enough to make you quit recording..

overall this map and every insanely hard map is beatable.. but i doubt any kz player can beat those kind of maps because of the time it requires to "geek" + motivation + stress(i mean missing a jump by 1 unit and getting 'teleported' back to start of the level?!).

i would really love to see a nocp demo on this map but i doubt it will happen in the next 1-2 years..
to be honest i would like to see koukouz, zhady or akkord`s opinion about this map because they are some of the most experienced kz players in extreme maps here on xj.

in my opinion (as CowOnCrack said) this map is absurdly hard and (like in qsk_azure case) there will be only one jumper who can make this map nocp.
correct me if i`m wrong but koukouz was the only one who did azure nocp; what are the chances that you`ll see a similar player in the future beating this map,azure or godroom?
i would put my chances in koukouz or akkord but they are pretty inactive for the moment.

Well I did not try that map nor do I plan to do it, but I am sure of one thing. Most people categorize a map as impossible really too fast, without even dedicating time on each jump.
This kind of maps needs first of all a LOT of patience (no ragequitting, a lot of time to learn EVERY jump perfectly), then comes (of course) the skills and luck for some jumps.
qsk_azure was for sure a very challenging map, but I have never thought it could not be possible without checkpoints. I am pretty sure it is the same for this map, just wait for some nerdy passionate jumper like I used to be for this kind of maps, and a good record you will get.
Plus if the map got accepted by the mapchecking crew, we should all trust their choice since they are not for most of them extreme maps rapers (no offense) but still found it possible to officialize it.

Little conclusion according to my own experience of this kind of maps: contrary to speed maps, extreme maps are very very long to learn, they require a lot of practice and regularly. But once you have accomplished this, recording is very fast (I remember beating kz_sandblock2's wr on almost every try). Speed maps are very easy to learn, but very random to finish with a wr run.

Totally agree with kouokuz.
Like most users, there are more than 80%
I would like just for you, koukouz see how you pass it even if it is and with gc.
Forgive me for my english)

Yea sure hahahahahha, played this map last night, and I am pretty sure that no one is going to beat this hardcore-extreme-heavy map. This map is absolutely above the limit.