Cheating: VNS
23/07/2014 23:37(edited 23/07/2014 23:38)Criticize my wall? I understand very well what fame is saying, I understand not only how FPS-Death is working or whatever kind of shits he is using to check this demo. I'm saying that what he actually proceeds to give us; is bullshit. You didn't catch up on that?
What he gave me/us is not proof, it might make some people question the legibility of VNS, but that's all. It's not proof, it's not even enough to make me question anything, is it enough to make you question anything? If so, maybe you should work on sources and getting your own opinion rather than listening to a random post in the forums.
And since you want to make a big case about me not 'understanding' what fame wrote<- wrote, you see this? It's not writed, it's WROTE.
Originally posted by kz`MoxxCriticize my wall? I understand very well what fame is saying, I understand not only how FPS-Death is working or whatever kind of shits he is using to check this demo. I'm saying that what he actually proceeds to give us; is bullshit. You didn't catch up on that?
What he gave me/us is not proof, it might make some people question the legibility of VNS, but that's all. It's not proof, it's not even enough to make me question anything, is it enough to make you question anything? If so, maybe you should work on sources and getting your own opinion rather than listening to a random post in the forums.
And since you want to make a big case about me not 'understanding' what fame wrote<- wrote, you see this? It's not writed, it's WROTE.
everyone's english isn't perfect, please don't turn into a grammar nazi
23/07/2014 23:48It wasn't meant to be a grammar Nazi, and I explained that very well with the post I just did. That you want to make it into me being a grammar-Nazi is however fine. Even though it was pretty obvious that the last sentence was a push to his side for questioning me 'understanding' what fame wrote.
24/07/2014 00:13moxx being pissed is entertaining, please continue
Even the latest pictures you posted seems far fetched. You need rockhard grounds on your assumptions. Those pictures is just not enough.
24/07/2014 00:50Originally posted by leggieso, i just made a very random demo, 1 attempt, 20 seconds long or so just to show you a few things as why you shouldn't make assumptions.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/p4arcdl.png[/IMG]
see how easy it is to make the ammount of scrolls differ?
see the random ducks i have after jumps? (g400 bug)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qpp7l0j.png[/IMG]
1 scroll 1 frame bhop.
so i guess i cheat right
Wait, are you saying it's a g400 bug in general? Because VNS said it's a USB bug with HIS mouse.
Also, what fame is trying to say is that you'll be hard pressed as FUCK to get WR's (if it's even possible) with those jump lines, so whether you did those on purpose or not is pretty irrelevant in this case.
the duck after scrolling is infact something that happens with g400 which is not the mouse i use when i'm recording, therefore i dont have them in my demos.
24/07/2014 01:12(edited 24/07/2014 01:14)LOL. Nice try in trying to draw attention away from your JUMP lines. I wasn't even reffering to your ducks. All I'm saying is, getting TONS of WR's with 2 lines in 3 frames would be hard if not impossible. Now it makes it even more suspicious when you tell your friend Nikita how easy it is for you to break the WR's.
Originally posted by VNSi've said before but since u clearly can't get it through your head THEY ARE RANDOM and if anything they just fucking destroy my runs and not help them in any way.
Why any of your demos doesn't have such "random" in mid air? You have this "bug" while bhopping in 10/60 demos that I had checked and not even once in mid air? Tell you why? Because hack won't make jumps in mid air because he jumps only when he detected the ground, it's simple. And yes, +jump commands doesn't even slow down you while you in air, so it's obviously can't ruin your run.
Originally posted by Freezingatl is right about the demos , they are rly old too , anyway , fame , i appreciate your work but i think you are not getting anywhere with this , lynn had best hacks and still he ended up banned , vns sent his first wr 3-4 years ago , and on some of his "sick" wrs he even streamed and get lot of people to spec , why would someone stream a wr attempt if he plays with hack ... im just saying my opinion , but like people said below , you should try to get a solid evidence for nikita's demos , lot of people would thank you :)
atL is wrong about demos at least because he and VNS have different FPS difference. While VNS have 0,0620 FPS difference (same as that his cheated demos I had post), atL have 0,0558. And yes, you can't change this value. Don't even read atL's posts because he lies about everything. About that he won't ever banned on any community for cheats, about that he recorded this demos and they are not cheated (while you don't need to be skilled demochecker to see that they are cheated with leaked in summer 2013 Juice's hack).
LyNn didn't have any good hacks, just simple slowmo like you can find in google, XJ just can't detect slowmo even if it's obvious as fuck. There is a lot of proofs, for example, that Lithuanian guy. And I'm pretty sure they banned him for nothing (even tho he really was using slowmo) because if they didn't see anything suspicious in his demos at first, there is nothing will change. It's not first time when XJ banned without proofs, for example omg0.
"It was almost impossible to detect it, but finally we found a 100% proof that he was using a slowmo hack."
(c) XJ 03/02/08
And later in December of 2009 demos (kz_fairy_island[+secret]_taff_0010 and kz_man_neighbourhood_RQ_0215) recorded with same hack by omg0 under fakename were accepted, because XJ doesn't really knew how to detect hack that he used and banned him without any evidence.
Originally posted by Freezingwhy would someone stream a wr attempt if he plays with hack
I think it's obvious - to get some fame.
Originally posted by Nubby-_-It would be interresting if vns record a video, for example how he turns his pc on, then load cs, default game controls then just to use scroll up and down for bhop and crouch, nothing in console and try some goldbhop runs for example or whatver map he likes, just random runs, he will get easily time close to wr, would be interresting, will this prove anything?just curious. :D
Such videos/handshow won't proof anything, since you don't even need to run any software after/before cs (he can make it do automaticly).
Originally posted by WeMeRAEven the latest pictures you posted seems far fetched. You need rockhard grounds on your assumptions. Those pictures is just not enough.
Yes, but at least I have something while XJ doesn't have anything on VNS. You need to understand that there is no easier way to detect it and that I had wrote is all what I can gave to you. There is a lot of cheating methods that XJ can't detect, like in this case. Let's be honest, XJ's democheckers is not interested in their job, they literally don't know how to detect this new hacks.
Originally posted by VNSthe duck after scrolling is infact something that happens with g400 which is not the mouse i use when i'm recording, therefore i dont have them in my demos.
I'm using g400 for 2,5 years I don't have any bugs with that. And, please, don't make accent on this because there is only serveral cheats that have bug like this and you doesn't use such.
@moxx, I don't even want to spend my time on answering to you.
Only one that I understood by this thread, that there is a big friendly crew between cheaters, democheckers and admins who protecting each other and I can't do anything with this.
P.S. Still want to see that pizza's demos with this bug or any other, especially recorded till 2010.
lol dude you're incredibly sad. first of all that bug EXISTS on the g400 enough said there are so many people getting that with the g400 like for example leggie. just because you got another g400 batch or whatever that doesnt make it doesn't mean that other guys dont get it.
and i already explained why i dont get random jumps in air but since your more stupid than anyone i know of so far lets write it once again for you. The thing that happens to me is the scrolls is fucking up in a way that my scroll aint scrolling at some points when i actually am scrolling physically which leads to me getting less scrolls and that mostly fucks up my runs but sometimes it just doesn't and i can continue with my run.
and just to mention you do notice that omg0 doing those runs in 2008, do you really think they haven't improved demo checking wise since then?
you just took stupidity to a whole new level.
Wtf i dont understand shit but this is more exciting than when I watched world war Z @ cinema !! So far im on fames side cuz idk VNS Seems nervous and it also seems like he needs to invest in a new mouse so he dont have 2 fail soooo many runs poor VNS :(((
24/07/2014 01:34This is offtopic but I know Spider1 will read this, also vns is a nice guy 10/10
"Speech is silver, silence is golden"
idk wth i wrote that.
24/07/2014 01:42I also find this thread very entertaining, especially now that Moxx joined in =) My mouse also has a problem with scrolls not registering sometimes btw, I tend to fall off blocks despite the fact I am physically scrolling trying to jump and nothing happens. That probably happens to a lot of mice...
24/07/2014 01:46But at least you're not getting WR's like it was nothing DESPITE THE FACT that your mouse is broken. Not that you would anyway.
24/07/2014 01:49Originally posted by fame@moxx, I don't even want to spend my time on answering to you.
Well of course it's hard when you actually get someone that questions what you do other than "he cheats" - "he don't cheat". Still you are convinced he cheats, and instead of talking to some demo-admin about your 'discovery' you decide to make a public thread about it, obviously trying to flame the player himself, and make yourself look like some kind of good guy. Anyway.
And since you want to make it:
Originally posted by fameOnly one that I understood by this thread, that there is a big friendly crew between cheaters, demo-checkers and admins who protecting each other and I can't do anything with this.
Which is plain ridiculous, at least speaking for myself. If you want to make these shitty accusations, at least make it easy to believe. I don't have anyones back, especially VNS since we don't really click with each other. If there is other admins covering each others back to protect VNS, well I wouldn't know 100% except from what I see in the admin forums. All I can say I don't cover anyones back.
Of course you wouldn't give me a proper response, as one of the few guys that actually question the way you get proof rather than the "proof" itself. As you can't really explain how you gather the "proof" itself rather than explain the "proof" you got. So please, go ahead.
24/07/2014 01:52I know my friend didnt have that "g400 bug" on his g400s, and he has 12 of them.
24/07/2014 01:54(edited 24/07/2014 01:59)No I think it's fine fame is trying to put this out in the public. If it were up to XJ we would never know what the fuck was going on. They've done that shit so many times on us, and it pisses us off each time...
lol please dont bring attention to the topic of english/grammar in an international community especially when you yourself made mistakes in your 2nd post, sorry moxx
im intrigued by this g400 bug theory
Honestly ? I'm really confused about all this shit.
I can clearly understand what fame is trying to say and damn boy, those prooves.. seems enough for me to belive that VNS could use a hack. But on the other hand - reputation. VNS is a well known jumper who've been on XJ for a quite long time.... but still, he's well known for his bhop skillz and some of the demos...shit just getting real.
It's really damn hard to stick to something since we got a lot of (different) information incoming from both sides. So please, fame / VNS / leggie or whoever, provide us with inarguable arguments so we can decide whom we should trust.
p.s i fucking love moxxs comments