Coronavirus
Important moment: I got a little carried away with the mass media bit. And I forgot to say that intervention into a social media like youtubes, forums, etc is indeed a further step in regime propaganda. I do agree with that. Not mentioning the internet censorship and traffic monitoring. But it has the same roots as news propaganda, it's just shows that society shifts to another information source.
It's important, because the paper Mathzz linked discussed the fabrication of posts and comments in social media, not fabrication of the news. But my thesis obviously applies here the same way.
If you want to learn how things really are, DON'T go on .gov sites, HISTORY proves GOVERNMENTS DO NOT work in our favor, they are going to spread lies.
FACT: Virus is human made.
FACT2: Virus kills lesser people than REGULAR flu we get every fucking year.
FACT3: Vitamins, Zinc and Quinin KILL the virus, YET they forbid the production of Quinin in our country (main producer and distributor - it's only exported to Turkey and other countries + the price is usually 1eur, now costs 10eur)
FACT4: You are not gonna die of corona if you get it, you are gonna die of paranoia and stress if you continue believing the shit they tell you.
FACT5: Media is your WORST enemy Right now.
Matter of fact, go on https://www.infowars.com/ and get your INFO RIGHT! SPREAD THE WORD!
Let’s ignore the stupidity that is above.
Ok, where to start with you? Yes, you got me. I am a liberalist, and you’re most likely a socialist considering where you are located in. Hooray, now we’re like real politicians, arguing about two entirely different ideologies. But that wasn’t the point here. I don’t care what ideology you believe in. The world doesn’t need this type of crap right now. We’re dealing with a real threat that knows no state borders or ideologies, but infects and kills – regardless of their ethnic background or political beliefs. You are also contradicting yourself several times. What exactly is your end goal here? I also think it’s colourful that you yourself provide news articles as sources to support your claims.
If you want to change my mind or views, then you need to up your game. Use sources from different perspectives that could support your claims, not entirely your own personal views. You critique me of being biased, but at least I’m doing the effort to find sources to build my arguments on. You don’t do that, and you use "I statements" and claim to be more objetive? I’m sorry, but I can’t take anything you say seriously because of that reason alone. We can agree to disagree, and that’s okay. But at least make an effort if you really feel the need to discuss with me.
I did my research to find scientific evidence as to why this virus is not produced in a lab. Now do the opposite. Find scientific evidence as to WHY it is produced in lab. Simply nitpicking the evidence because they acknowledge that any findings (like all scientists do) can’t ever be trusted to be the ultimate truth to anything. Every single study has its weaknesses, and most of the time, studies get challenged by new knowledge or even proven to be wrong. That’s how science is evolving. I believe you’re someone who has some experience in higher academics, so this shouldn’t come as a surprise to you. I believe this is one of the first things any student is taught in any university. Also, using citations right is very important. Don’t just scroll down in the results and look at the overall, simplified conclusion that the writers summarize with few words. Read the entire study. They clearly state that the evidence is strong and even show why. You want a different source that further support the thesis in another perspective?
I seriously dare you to find scientific evidence to support the claim that SARS-CoV-2 is human made. How many hits do you get searching something like that in research search engines? Probably not that much. Then how many of them actually support the claim and can show scientific evidence to further support the conspiracy theory. I dare you. Find it. As it stands now, there is more evidence and growing consensus that SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin. But of course, maybe you are the pioneer that proves that the virus indeed is a biochemical weapon produced by men in white lab coats.
[blockquote]Ok, where to start with you? Yes, you got me. I am a liberalist, and you’re most likely a socialist considering where you are located in. Hooray, now we’re like real politicians, arguing about two entirely different ideologies. But that wasn’t the point here. I don’t care what ideology you believe in. The world doesn’t need this type of crap right now. We’re dealing with a real threat that knows no state borders or ideologies, but infects and kills – regardless of their ethnic background or political beliefs. You are also contradicting yourself several times. What exactly is your end goal here? I also think it’s colourful that you yourself provide news articles as sources to support your claims.[/blockquote]
Mathzz, never in my life I felt as someone with a concrete position in politics. I'm neither communist, nor ultragreen ecoterrorist. And I'm 100% not a socialist either, and I don't want you to get me wrong here. I didn't "got you there", and my primary goal was to make you think towards your political bias that is a total contradiction to a scientific approach. This things must never blend.
My end goal "here" is to make this place a great platform to communicate. Talk, share, discuss current situation. I've already told you that in the post above.
There is no need to back up something of a political discourse with an article. It's good that you did that, but this article you sent has already become so politicized that it's scientific core in catching evidence and modelling is buried deep down under. I just showed you that this horrendous practic of bots spamming pro-government sloguns is being implemented by other countries too and that doesn't necessarily mean that the countries' scientific institutions should also be doubted. With that, I wanted to underline yet again your bias against Chinese society and your inability to separate politics and science.
"You are contradicting yourself several times". What is this sentence about? Don't be lazy. Point it out and we'll discuss it.
[blockquote]If you want to change my mind or views, then you need to up your game. Use sources from different perspectives that could support your claims, not entirely your own personal views. You critique me of being biased, but at least I’m doing the effort to find sources to build my arguments on. You don’t do that, and you use "I statements" and claim to be more objetive? I’m sorry, but I can’t take anything you say seriously because of that reason alone. We can agree to disagree, and that’s okay. But at least make an effort if you really feel the need to discuss with me.[/blockquote]
What is this, a defensive stance? I called you out on being racist there and you know why, I hope at this point you get it.
It's great that youre able to use / explore all the scientific data from various sources like pubmed or sci-hub. That's always good. My arguments here are general statements for the most part, indeed. They are debatable and are not laws. This is a discussion. If you want people back up their every word then you're fucked by scientific dogma to the point you can't longer think for yourself and make any choice not relying on a rigid, reproducable, verificated data. And that actually makes you even worse of a scientist. I'm not telling you are that person, please, don't rush writing back.
In terms of our topic, I will provide any interesting info I find out there in various scientific communities/journals. And not only articles. We can also discuss news, with caution.
[blockquote]I did my research to find scientific evidence as to why this virus is not produced in a lab. Now do the opposite. Find scientific evidence as to WHY it is produced in lab. Simply nitpicking the evidence because they acknowledge that any findings (like all scientists do) can’t ever be trusted to be the ultimate truth to anything. Every single study has its weaknesses, and most of the time, studies get challenged by new knowledge or even proven to be wrong. That’s how science is evolving. I believe you’re someone who has some experience in higher academics, so this shouldn’t come as a surprise to you. I believe this is one of the first things any student is taught in any university. Also, using citations right is very important. Don’t just scroll down in the results and look at the overall, simplified conclusion that the writers summarize with few words. Read the entire study. They clearly state that the evidence is strong and even show why. You want a different source that further support the thesis in another perspective?[/blockquote]
I never said it is produced in a lab. Period. I just showed how important it is to not rush to the conclusions, since there is no direct evidence. It's a strong evidence, but not a direct, unequivocal one. Because if they were to write "proven" just like you wrote, that could be false.
If you want my personal opinion - I don't think it is human-made. But even if it is - it does not matter until we find a hundred percent proof of that, then it matters. So the investigation will always take place, going alongside with the response to the pandemic - and that's what most important, the response to the pandemic. And this little thread also can do wonders. And you kind of spoiled it with the bold scientific approach, where people must show proof of their words, etc. Instead, you should've been scientific afterwards. You should be analyzing the texts scientifically, not filtering them in the first place, that's why I think that first post of yours worked out well only for your ego. Sorry to say that.
[blockquote]You want a different source that further support the thesis in another perspective[/blockquote]
You want the irony? Ever read this papers' authors information? It's those Chinese corrupted articles... They want to hide the real cause to maintain the current Communist regime! It's a total distraction, do not believe this paper Mathzz. They used those ways to create a virus... They just flipped it upside down...
26/03/2020 17:44(edited 26/03/2020 17:44)Originally posted by ivanskyIf you want to learn how things really are, DON'T go on .gov sites, HISTORY proves GOVERNMENTS DO NOT work in our favor, they are going to spread lies.
FACT: Virus is human made.
FACT2: Virus kills lesser people than REGULAR flu we get every fucking year.
FACT3: Vitamins, Zinc and Quinin KILL the virus, YET they forbid the production of Quinin in our country (main producer and distributor - it's only exported to Turkey and other countries + the price is usually 1eur, now costs 10eur)
FACT4: You are not gonna die of corona if you get it, you are gonna die of paranoia and stress if you continue believing the shit they tell you.
FACT5: Media is your WORST enemy Right now.
Matter of fact, go on https://www.infowars.com/ and get your INFO RIGHT! SPREAD THE WORD!
I love you Ivansky from the bottom of my heart but you are severely misinformed there, for real.
Do you know why it kills less than the flu? Can't you think for like 10 seconds and figure out why? Anything? No? Ok.
It kills less people because the flu infects millions and millions and millions of people in the world simultaneously several times while the coronavirus is something new. The infected count is now at 500.000. You are comparing something (regular flu) that has a mortality rate of like 0.1 percent to something (coronavirus) that has like 5% mortality rate and it keeps increasing. I don't know which number is bigger... is it 0.1? Is it 5? I don't know, draw your conclusions there. If the coronavirus infects as much people as the regular flu we will have extreme amount of death because of what I said above. 0.1% vs 5%, which do you think will kill more if it infects the same amount of people? Will it be the virus with 0.1% mortality rate? 5%? I don't know, it looks too hard to comprehend. The hospitals are so damn flooded that doctors are having to decide who lives and who dies because there is not enugh equipment, personnel or space to treat so many people. You obviously don't know the dimension of any of this nor the terrible consequences that wait for us in the future.
You're not gonna die if you get infected by it?
Hmm, I think the 22.000 people that died so far would disagree with you there, including healthy, young people that got infected and died. And the numbers keep going up and up exponentially.
My friend, please, stop reading fucking Dunning-Kruger conspiratard theories. A while ago you said electricity was invented, wtf... so woke. Don't disappoint me like that, look at reality, please.
Lold here.
And people still think I troll around ? Haha geez
26/03/2020 18:37This thread is poggers.
Love it how everyone is suddenly behaving like some kind of virus experts wtf :D
Originally posted by mursuxLove it how everyone is suddenly behaving like some kind of virus experts wtf :D
+1
Originally posted by mursuxLove it how everyone is suddenly behaving like some kind of virus experts wtf :D
+1
Ye, as if our arguing mattered.
It's human nature, I guess..
Some people in my country are thinking new 5G is the (main) reason of coronavirus and of spreading it.
Am I really stupid so I cant understand that thinking or serbian people is really susceptible to these internet-theories? :/
*They even started petition for not allowing to make these towers for 5G... . . .but without them we already have 400+ cases here
27/03/2020 00:07(edited 27/03/2020 00:08)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLZlxVzoG9Y
@shNz very relaxing ASMR. Thank you for this.
Any more nurses/doctors? Dragon, how are you doing?
inject me with coronavirus i will prove you its nothing to be scared of
still believe its made strictly to fuck up our economy, world economy
bring the new world order
all heil Bildenbergs and Rotschilds <3
28/03/2020 01:48Originally posted by ivanskyinject me with coronavirus i will prove you its nothing to be scared of
still believe its made strictly to fuck up our economy, world economy
bring the new world order
all heil Bildenbergs and Rotschilds <3
Because you know more about the virus than phd doctors, biologists and infectologists, right?
Every now and then XJ likes to have the obvious candidate for the thread of the year category. Time... is it really that time again?
Originally posted by p0kerEvery now and then XJ likes to have the obvious candidate for the thread of the year category. Time... is it really that time again?
no
28/03/2020 07:41He's trolling, it's impossible to think like that if you are a brain-developed person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgm9E_cmvWA
well ivansky is like Boris Johnson talk shit make fun of that until he get it xD And the point is to stop spread since u dont have vac like for reagular flu. But i know people like u and when they got it then cry about how serious it was... so dont worry be in your world but your opinion is not worth to share even at XJ
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